The Veil Debate

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Should all religious education be banned in schools?

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No
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Yes and my reasons for coming to this conclusion are posted on this thread.
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No and my reasons for coming to this conclusion are posted on this thread.
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Re: My Two Cents

Postby Louis P. Burns aka Lugh » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:22 am

Diesel Engine wrote:This has become a huge talking point all over Europe.

Very true Diesel dude. I just heard two men chatting about it over in the John Street Chippy...

Diesel Engine wrote:In my opinion the women who wear the veil have been indoctrainated, the veil I Believe was used by the Sultan to keep other men from lusting after his Huge hareem of ladies and I suppose that living in a dusty hot and dry climate the veil would offer excellent protection to the wearer from the adverse elements.

Fair point man. But it's not as if it's necessary here though. If it is a historical piece of dresswear then maybe it should be donned on special occasions within their culture.

Diesel Engine wrote:But it sends out TOTALY the wrong signals. What a woman wearing a veil is basically saying is that men are so anamilastic and lustful that the sight of a womans face is enough to bring about impure thoughts into our heads and could lead us to commit adultery. I do not believe for one second that anyone seriously considers the face to be an visualy erotic part of the anatomy. (perhaps if its eating a flake but that a whole diferent kettle of onions)

I disagree mate. Much as I'm tuned slightly differently from the average male, I find a woman's face something truly beautiful to look upon. The softness of her skin, the curve of her chin, her eyes, lips... All delightful in most cases. Shove a flake in her gob and I'd run a mile... Mind you, if Pink Floyd's; Great Gig In The Sky was playing in the background I'd stick around... I know, I know. I'm a hypocrite...

Diesel Engine wrote:If we bring the veil wearing to its extreme conclusion then imagine a world where we were all veiled. We would never really know anyone and sales of foundation lipgloss and rouge would plummet.

Nail firmly on head dude... Revlon would go under and there would be a civil war...

Diesel Engine wrote:A typical coversation from such times

"you know wee sammy?"
"naw"
"sure you do, wears the blue veil with the orange trim"
"Oh... yeah that sammy, what about him?"
"He got his hair cut, I think"
"did he now, the little devil"

Sammy always was a non-conformist. Feckin' blue and orange..! In October :?: ..!

He's clearly lost the feckin' plot.

Ev'rybody's wearing green with purple this month...
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Re: My Two Cents

Postby Diesel Engine » Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:11 am

Lugh wrote:I disagree mate. Much as I'm tuned slightly differently from the average male, I find a woman's face something truly beautiful to look upon. The softness of her skin, the curve of her chin, her eyes, lips... All delightful in most cases. Shove a flake in her gob and I'd run a mile... Mind you, if Pink Floyd's; Great Gig In The Sky was playing in the background I'd stick around... I know, I know. I'm a hypocrite....


You missunderstand me Lugh. Of course I find womens faces beautiful, however, I do NOT find them EROTIC or SHAMEFUl or PRIVATE. They are not something that should be hidden from view from all men, apart from the womens Husband.
To make the face, which communicates more than half of our emotions non verbally, into something that should be hidden demeans us all, and makes true communication and any chance of making a real connection with someone very difficult.

edited some horrendous typos

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Postby Catherine Edmunds » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:10 am

Ultimately, this is not about religion at all. It's gender politics, control, and fear. It's about men being afraid of letting women communicate, of letting them be part of society. It's about men trying to keep absolute control over 'their' women. Prevent them communicating, and you prevent their brains developing, you prevent them understanding how much you are controlling them, imprisoning them.

Except of course you don't. The tide is turning. You can hide their faces but you can't quell their spirit. Watch out, guys...

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Postby spacecadet » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:00 am

delph_ambi wrote:It's gender politics, control, and fear.


Here, here. That's exactly what it is.

delph_ambi wrote: Watch out, guys.


Easy Tiger! You're preaching to the (almost) converted here.

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Postby Louis P. Burns aka Lugh » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:33 am

delph_ambi wrote:Ultimately, this is not about religion at all. It's gender politics, control, and fear. It's about men being afraid of letting women communicate, of letting them be part of society. It's about men trying to keep absolute control over 'their' women. Prevent them communicating, and you prevent their brains developing, you prevent them understanding how much you are controlling them, imprisoning them.

100% right Delph mate. It's infuriating that this situation is being encouraged because it belittles every positive step taken in the name of civil liberties and freedom of expression/speech/thought and it is gender politics of the most ugly kind.

I'm livid at Channel 4's position on this too. In the space of 16 hours they've become a joke in my opinion. Dickheads...

The UK, Ireland and Europe is made up of peoples from all over the world. Many of whom came here to get away from dogmatic cultures or horrific wars. For a few to demand what they see as a right to drag us all into their backward thinking notions is not on. Not on at all...

delph_ambi wrote:Except of course you don't. The tide is turning. You can hide their faces but you can't quell their spirit. Watch out, guys...

Be loud and be proud Delph :D ...
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